{"id":5144,"date":"2021-08-21T00:42:10","date_gmt":"2021-08-21T00:42:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/brendans-island.com\/catholic-citizen\/?p=5144"},"modified":"2025-05-28T23:05:17","modified_gmt":"2025-05-28T23:05:17","slug":"secondary-causes-both-and-not-either-or","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/brendans-island.com\/catholic-citizen\/secondary-causes-both-and-not-either-or\/","title":{"rendered":"Secondary Causes: Both\/And, not Either\/Or"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Bright_Angel_Trail\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/brendans-island.com\/blogsource\/20210525ff\/20210817-800px-Ba-trail-658.JPG?w=640&#038;ssl=1\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>How the Grand Canyon was formed depends on who&#8217;s talking.<\/p>\n<p>Scientists say it&#8217;s what happened as a river cut through the Colorado Plateau.<\/p>\n<p>Since I think scientists are right about the Colorado River&#8217;s role in making that mile-deep gulch, <strong>and<\/strong> think that both are part of God&#8217;s creation, maybe an explanation is in order.<\/p>\n<p>To begin with, I&#8217;m a Christian and a Catholic, so I must believe that God made and makes everything. Which doesn&#8217;t mean I see God as a supercharged Paul Bunyan.<\/p>\n<h4><a name=\"origin\"><\/a>Origin Tales, Science, Logic and Me<\/h4>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.gutenberg.org\/files\/32291\/32291-h\/32291-h.htm\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/brendans-island.com\/blogsource\/20210525ff\/20210817-PaulBunyanBabeFaith-i031-658.jpg?w=640&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"William B. Laughead's illustration, a tale of Paul Bunyan, Babe the Blue Ox and efficiency engineering. (1922)\"><\/a><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\">(From William B. Laughead, via The Red River Lumber Company, Project Gutenberg, used w\/o permission.)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>American folklore says Paul Bunyan made the Grand Canyon by absent-mindedly dragging his axe, or maybe a ski pole. And credits the giant lumberjack with making many of my country&#8217;s other landmarks.<\/p>\n<p>I enjoy my homeland&#8217;s origin myths, but don&#8217;t see a point in trying to impose profound spiritual principles on them. As for why I&#8217;m also not upset that myths aren&#8217;t &#8220;true&#8221; in a hardwired American literalist sense, that&#8217;s another topic.<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, getting back to Paul Bunyan and secondary causes \u2014<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/brendans-island.com\/catholic-citizen\/climate-change-attitudes\/#lords\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/brendans-island.com\/blogsource\/201508ff\/20151202-151129150139-13-global-climate-march-gettyimages-penguins-329.jpg?w=640&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Climate change protestors in penguin suits. (2015)\" align=\"right\"><\/a>A fair fraction of Paul Bunyan stories come from North American lumberjacks via publications like the Duluth News Tribune and The Red River Lumber Company&#8217;s &#8220;The Marvelous Exploits of Paul Bunyan.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Since the written tales grew from oral traditions of lumberjacks, with roots going back at least to the days when companies clear-cut forests,<sup><a href=\"https:\/\/brendans-island.com\/catholic-citizen\/secondary-causes-both-and-not-either-or\/#1\">1<\/a><\/sup> I could put on an &#8216;environmentalist activist&#8217; hat and call for a ban on P. Bunyan tales.<\/p>\n<p>Because they glorify destruction of forests and cause global warming.<\/p>\n<p>But I won&#8217;t.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;d be as silly as slapping the &#8220;Satanic&#8221; label on Paul Bunyan stories, and insisting that <strong>God<\/strong> made the canyon by dragging an axe. Or that, since there&#8217;s no scriptural reference the Grand Canyon or Arizona \u2014 neither exists. Because they&#8217;re &#8216;not Biblical.&#8217;<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;d like to think that nobody could be quite that crazy.<\/p>\n<h5><a name=\"im\"><\/a>I&#8217;m [not] a &#8220;Belivir&#8221;<\/h5>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/brendans-island.com\/catholic-citizen\/ammonites-dinosaurs-and-us\/#errors\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/brendans-island.com\/blogsource\/20170501ff\/1185183_678959602125054_1200280083_n-329.jpg?w=640&#038;ssl=1\" align=\"right\"><\/a>But then there&#8217;s this discussion, from about eight years back:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>#3<br \/>\n&#8220;Two errors in posted image:<br \/>\n1) The dates are significantly too long ago.<br \/>\n2) The Flood, which caused the immediate burial of dinosaurs, etc needed for good quality Fossilization, is absent.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>#5<br \/>\n&#8220;Not sure if serious or trolling..&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>#6<br \/>\n&#8220;Please cite the Bible as your source, so that everyone can be keenly aware you have made no distinction between mythology and science, and thereby safely ignore you.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>#7<br \/>\n&#8220;As a beliver in the one true God who created all things, who is over all things even science, and logic&#8230;..&#8221;<br \/>\n(Google Developers post, Google+ (October 11, 2013))<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a name=\"ifithought\"><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Geocentric_model#Religious_and_contemporary_adherence_to_geocentrism\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/brendans-island.com\/blogsource\/20180105ff\/20180105-800px-Orlando-Ferguson-flat-earth-map_edit-329.jpg?w=640&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Orlando Ferguson's 'Map of the Square and Stationary Earth.' (1893) The legend at top says, in part, 'this ... is the Bible Map of the World.'\" align=\"right\"><\/a>If I thought the &#8220;beliver&#8221; and an earnest young chap who told me the sun goes around Earth because the Bible says so were typical Christians, then I might be an atheist today.<\/p>\n<p>Or, more likely, since I&#8217;ll willingly think that spirit exists, maybe an agnostic or Buddhist; maybe a Hindu; all of which were popular options in my youth.<\/p>\n<p>But my parents were both Christian <strong>and<\/strong> accepted that this universe is considerably older than Ussher&#8217;s six and a quarter millennia.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t know how many American Protestants are still faithful Ussherites, much less why some Catholics apparently believe that accepting an anti-Catholic British bishop&#8217;s chronology is vital to being Catholic. And that&#8217;s yet another topic.<\/p>\n<p>My faith isn&#8217;t built on science and logic, but I don&#8217;t have to ignore either.<\/p>\n<p>As for how I can think that God makes everything we see <strong>and<\/strong> that stuff like erosion and gravity are real, it&#8217;s basically about secondary causes. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 306-308)<\/p>\n<h4><a name=\"God\"><\/a>&#8220;&#8230;God Fixed a Certain Order&#8230;.&#8221;<\/h4>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/brendans-island.com\/catholic-citizen\/becoming-a-catholic\/#answers\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/brendans-island.com\/blogsource\/20130220ff\/439px-Gentile_da_Fabriano_052-ThomasAquinas-329.jpg?w=640&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Detail, Gentile da Fabriano's 'Valle Romita Polyptych.' (ca. 1411)\" align=\"right\"><\/a>St. Thomas Aquinas talked about that sort of thing. At length:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;God&#8217;s immediate provision over everything does not exclude the action of secondary causes; which are the executors of His order, as was said above (Question [19], Articles 5, 8)&#8230;.\u201d<br \/>\n(First Part, Question 22, Article 3)<br \/>\n&#8220;&#8230;For the providence of God produces effects through the operation of secondary causes, as was above shown (Question [22], Article 5)&#8230;.&#8221;<br \/>\n(First Part, Question 23, Article 5)<br \/>\n&#8220;&#8230;The fact that secondary causes are ordered to determinate effects is due to God; wherefore since God ordains other causes to certain effects He can also produce certain effects by Himself without any other cause&#8230;.&#8221;<br \/>\n(First Part, Question 105, Article 1)<br \/>\n&#8220;&#8230;God fixed a certain order in things in such a way that at the same time He reserved to Himself whatever he intended to do otherwise than by a particular cause. So when He acts outside this order, He does not change&#8230;.&#8221;<br \/>\n(First Part, Question 105, Article 6)<br \/>\n(&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/summa\/\">Summa Theologica<\/a>,&#8221; Thomas Aquinas (ca. 1265-1274))<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Briefly \u2014 I suspect St. Thomas Aquinas didn&#8217;t say <strong>anything<\/strong> briefly \u2014 and that&#8217;s a very brief excerpt \u2014 I think God creates everything.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;d better, if I&#8217;m going to be a Catholic. (Genesis 1:1-2:3, 2:4-25; Catechism, 279-314)<\/p>\n<p>Before I go on, an explanation: why I said &#8220;God creates&#8221; instead of &#8220;God created.&#8221;<\/p>\n<h4><a name=\"genesis\"><\/a>Genesis and Bemidji, Minnesota<\/h4>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Paul_Bunyan_and_Babe_the_Blue_Ox\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/brendans-island.com\/blogsource\/20210525ff\/20210821-Paul_Bunyan_and_Babe_statues_Bemidji_Minnesota_crop-658.JPG?w=640&#038;ssl=1\"><\/a><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\">(From Wikimedia Commons, used w\/o permission.)<\/span><br \/>\n(&#8220;Paul Bunyan and Babe the Blue Ox&#8221; in Bemidji, Minnesota. (2006?))<\/p>\n<p><a name=\"several\"><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/brendans-island.com\/catholic-citizen\/firestorm-comet\/#God\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/brendans-island.com\/blogsource\/20130220ff\/VST_image_of_the_Hercules_galaxy_cluster-detail329.jpg?w=640&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"ESO\/INAF-VST\/OmegaCAM, OmegaCen\/Astro-WISE\/Kapteyn Institute; via Wikimedia Commons; used w\/o permission.\" align=\"right\"><\/a>Several decades back now, I read a discussion of why God probably doesn&#8217;t exist, and anyway couldn&#8217;t be all that all-knowing or all powerful.<\/p>\n<p>The author pointed out that nothing can travel faster than light, so if all Hell broke out and God was a light year away, the &#8220;all-knowing&#8221; deity wouldn&#8217;t have a clue until a year later.<\/p>\n<p>That almost makes sense.<\/p>\n<p>If God was like us, an entity existing in a particular part of time and space, then God couldn&#8217;t know everything.<\/p>\n<p>But since I&#8217;m a Catholic, thinking of God as a supercharged Paul Bunyan, living in Bemidji, Minnesota, or any other spot in this space-time continuum: that&#8217;s not an option.<\/p>\n<p>God isn&#8217;t &#8216;<strong>in<\/strong>&#8216; time and space. Not the way I am, at any rate. He&#8217;s &#8216;there,&#8217; immediately aware and present at <strong>every time and every place<\/strong>: past, present and future. (Catechism, 300, 600)<\/p>\n<p>So &#8220;In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth \u2014,&#8221; as Genesis 1:1 puts it, is accurate enough: from our viewpoint. The moment at which this universe began is in our past, hence &#8220;God created.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>But God, again, isn&#8217;t &#8216;in&#8217; time and space. Although the Almighty is still &#8216;here and now,&#8217; and &#8220;at every moment, upholds and sustains&#8221; every creature. (Catechism, 301)<\/p>\n<p>So that&#8217;s why I use present tense when talking about God creating this universe. It&#8217;s my way of saying that God&#8217;s actively engaged in creation in whatever &#8220;now&#8221; I&#8217;m in at the moment.<\/p>\n<h4><a name=\"talking\"><\/a>Talking About God, Appreciating God&#8217;s Work<\/h4>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/brendans-island.com\/catholic-citizen\/adam-and-the-animals\/#zeal\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/brendans-island.com\/blogsource\/20130220ff\/CosmicCoffeeCup20141022-658.jpg?w=640&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"My 'Cosmic Coffee Cup.' (2014)\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/brendans-island.com\/catholic-citizen\/science-and-religion\/#God\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/brendans-island.com\/blogsource\/20171019ff\/20171105-Gossuin_de_Metz_-_Limage_du_monde_-_BNF_Fr_574_fo42-329.jpg?w=640&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Illustration of a spherical Earth 'L'Image du monde, by Gautier de Metz. (14th century copy of a 13th century original)\" align=\"right\"><\/a>God is large and in charge. (Catechism, 268)<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Our God is in heaven<br \/>\nand does whatever he wills.&#8221;<br \/>\n(Psalms 115:3)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I figure God could make stars, planets and people pop in and out of existence: but that&#8217;s not how this universe works.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m assuming that God isn&#8217;t also updating our memories to make reality in the current &#8216;now&#8217; closely resemble &#8216;five minutes ago&#8217; and &#8216;last year.&#8217;<\/p>\n<p>At any rate, I think that God weaves knowable physical laws into reality&#8217;s fabric. What we observe are parts of creation acting in ways determined by their nature. (Catechism, 268, 279, 299, 301-305; &#8220;Gaudium et spes,&#8221; 5, 15, Second Vatican Council, Bl. Pope Paul VI (December 7, 1965))<\/p>\n<p>Folks who converted the Genesis narratives and other parts of Sacred Scripture from oral tradition to writing had a habit of giving God credit for events in this universe.<\/p>\n<p>I could claim that, since they didn&#8217;t discuss the Friedmann-Lema\u00eetre-Robertson-Walker metric,<sup><a href=\"https:\/\/brendans-island.com\/catholic-citizen\/secondary-causes-both-and-not-either-or\/#2\">2<\/a><\/sup> Biblical authors were ignorant and simple-minded; but that would be silly.<\/p>\n<p>As I see it, they were talking about God: and recognizing that God is what philosophers call the first cause. (Catechism, 304-308)<\/p>\n<p>On the other hand, recognizing that God makes reality possible does <strong>not<\/strong> mean I must try hard to ignore \u2014 or at least not think about \u2014 this wonder-filled universe.<\/p>\n<p>Everything \u2014 every grain of sand, every galaxy, every butterfly, every scientific law, <strong>everything<\/strong> reflects a facet of the Creator\u2019s truth. What it reflects comes from its nature. (Catechism, 301-308)<\/p>\n<p>And since I believe that God creates everything, learning about this universe gives me more reasons to admire God\u2019s work. (Catechism, 159, 214-217, 282-283, 294, 341)<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve talked about that before. A lot.<\/p>\n<h4><a name=\"whos\"><\/a>&#8220;&#8230;Who&#8217;s Right?&#8221;<\/h4>\n<p><a><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/brendans-island.com\/blogsource\/20210525ff\/202010814-FamilyCircus-GrandCanyon-SecondaryCauses-2143771-329.jpg?w=640&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Bill and Jeff Keane's 'Family Circus' at the Grand Canyon: a river, a ranger, God and a good question. (August 14, 2021)\" align=\"right\"><\/a>Billy asked a good question last Saturday:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;The ranger said the river dug the canyon, Mommy, and you said God did it. Who&#8217;s right?&#8221;<br \/>\n&#8220;The Family Circus,&#8221; Bill &amp; Jeff Keane (August 14, 2021)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>As I see it, since I think God creates everything and maintains a universe in which creatures produce effects according to their nature, they&#8217;re both right.<\/p>\n<p>God made the river, made both the rock and water which form their substances and determined the physical laws they follow; so God is the first cause.<\/p>\n<p>Water, rock, gravity, and all natural laws involved in forming the canyon exist because God wills it, so they&#8217;re secondary causes.<\/p>\n<p>Which reminds me of natural law: something I haven&#8217;t talked about for some time.<\/p>\n<p>I asked a priest about natural law and how it&#8217;s defined, this was a month or three ago now.<\/p>\n<p>Up to that point, based on what I&#8217;ve read, I&#8217;d taken natural law to mean ethical principles written into reality&#8217;s source code.<\/p>\n<p>The priest defined natural law as that subset of God&#8217;s rules for how things work \u2014 what we call physical or scientific law <strong>and<\/strong> ethical principles \u2014 that we&#8217;ve noticed.<\/p>\n<p>That makes sense, particularly since we&#8217;re starting to learn that altruism has specific and measurable effects.<sup><a href=\"https:\/\/brendans-island.com\/catholic-citizen\/secondary-causes-both-and-not-either-or\/#3\">3<\/a><\/sup> And that&#8217;s yet again another topic.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, the usual links to more stuff:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/brendans-island.com\/catholic-citizen\/police-i-35w-bridge-collapse-and-all-that\/\">Police, I-35W Bridge Collapse and All That<\/a>&#8221;<br \/>\n(February 5, 2021)<\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/brendans-island.com\/catholic-citizen\/life-and-death-laws-and-principles\/\">Life and Death, Laws and Principles<\/a>&#8221;<br \/>\n(January 22, 2021)<\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/brendans-island.com\/catholic-citizen\/rules-principles-and-a-defrocked-cardinal\/\">Rules, Principles, and a Defrocked Cardinal<\/a>&#8221;<br \/>\n(February 17, 2019)<\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/brendans-island.com\/catholic-citizen\/early-birds-unisex-fish\/\">Early Birds, Unisex Fish<\/a>&#8221;<br \/>\n(March 9, 2018 )<\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/brendans-island.com\/catholic-citizen\/cassini-huygens-mission\/\">Cassini-Huygens Mission<\/a>&#8221;<br \/>\n(September 15, 2017)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr>\n<p><sup><a name=\"1\"><\/a>1<\/sup> It&#8217;s true! Wood <strong>does<\/strong> grow on trees:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Wikipedia\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Clearcutting\">Clearcutting<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/History_of_the_lumber_industry_in_the_United_States\">History of the lumber industry in the United States<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lumberjack\">Lumberjack<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Origin_myth\">Origin myth<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Paul_Bunyan\">Paul Bunyan<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tall_tale\">Tall Tale<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tree_plantation\">Tree plantation<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/icycanada.com\/paul-bunyan-a-giant-lumberjack-larger-than-life\/\">Paul Bunyan: A 19th C. Folklore Or A Real Hero?<\/a>&#8221;<br \/>\nNaomik30, Icy Canada (August 25, 2020)<\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.mentalfloss.com\/article\/51199\/11-landmarks-%E2%80%9Cbuilt%E2%80%9D-paul-bunyan\">11 Landmarks &#8216;Built&#8217; by Paul Bunyan<\/a>&#8221;<br \/>\nMark Mancini, Mental Floss (June 21, 2013)<\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.gutenberg.org\/files\/32994\/32994-h\/32994-h.htm\">The Marvelous Exploits of Paul Bunyan<\/a>&#8221;<br \/>\nWilliam B. Laughead (1922) via Project Gutenberg<\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.gutenberg.org\/files\/32291\/32291-h\/32291-h.htm\">Paul Bunyan and His Loggers<\/a>&#8221;<br \/>\nCloice R. Howd, Otis T. Howd (1919) via Project Gutenberg<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><sup><a name=\"2\"><\/a>2<\/sup> Dealing with knowledge &#8211; &#8211; &#8211;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Wikipedia\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Friedmann%E2%80%93Lema%C3%AEtre%E2%80%93Robertson%E2%80%93Walker_metric\">Friedmann\u2013Lema\u00eetre\u2013Robertson\u2013Walker metric<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Oral_tradition\">Oral tradition<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><sup><a name=\"3\"><\/a>3<\/sup> &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; and still learning:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.pnas.org\/content\/117\/2\/950\">Altruistic behaviors relieve physical pain<\/a>&#8221;<br \/>\nYilu Wang, Jianqiao Ge, Hanqi Zhang, Haixia Wang, Xiaofei Xie; PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences) (January 14, 2020)<\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/repository.upenn.edu\/cgi\/viewcontent.cgi?article=1153&amp;context=mapp_capstone\">Positive Altruism: Helping that Benefits Both the Recipient and Giver<\/a>&#8221;<br \/>\nAnna S. Irani, Scholarly Commons, University of Pennsylvania (August 25, 2018)<\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.jstor.org\/stable\/2083262\">ALTRUISM: A Review of Recent Theory and Research<\/a>&#8221;<br \/>\nJane Allyn Piliavin, Hong-Wen Charng; Annual Review of Sociology (Vol. 16 (1990)) via JSTOR<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>How the Grand Canyon was formed depends on who&#8217;s talking. Scientists say it&#8217;s what happened as a river cut through the Colorado Plateau. 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